Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/How many Italian schools are in Asmara, Eritrea?

On the English Wikipedia there is one article for en:Italian School of Asmara (which stated that there is one Italian school in Asmara, Eritrea for years preschool through high school) and another for en:Liceo Sperimentale "G. Marconi" (which states that the preschool, the elementary and middle school, and high school are separate).

Apparently the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has a list here (pages 8-9) which shows the Eritrean schools as being separate, but it also lists divisions of the en:Istituto Statale Italiano Omnicomprensivo di Addis Abeba in Addis Ababa separately too. A list from 2001, Another list from 2001

So I wonder which is it? Are there three Italian schools in Asmara, or is there one?

Update: The website now says "Istituto Italiano Statale Omnicomprensivo di Asmara" while the earlier website was indicating multiple schools. Does this mean the three school articles on ITwikipedia (Scuola materna italiana di Asmara, Istituto italiano comprensivo di Asmara, Liceo italiano di Asmara) need to be merged?

[@ Rei Momo] [@ Syrio] WhisperToMe (msg) 03:15, 18 ago 2016 (CEST)

Io per quanto ne sapevo esiste un polo scolastico che va dalla materna al liceo/regioneria, se sia enciclopedico solo quello o i singoli blocchi (materna, elementare, media e superiore) non lo so. --Sailko 11:18, 18 ago 2016 (CEST)

(IT) Veramente, io non vedo che en:Italian School of Asmara affermi ci sia una (nel senso di una sola?) scuola italiana in Asmara.

(EN) Actually, I can not see that en:Italian School of Asmara stated that there is one (do you mean, just one?) Italian school in Asmara. --5.170.9.114 (msg) 23:59, 19 ago 2016 (CEST)

It doesn't explicitly say "there is one Italian school in Eritrea" but the webpage linked is that of the school, and with the name "Scuola" rather than "Scuole" it's saying there's one school. I discussed the matter with the article author and he believed there was one school. WhisperToMe (msg) 15:44, 23 ago 2016 (CEST)

@WhisperToMe, my 2c: as far as I can see there is one "school district" (comprensorio/scuola) with more than one school (scuola/istituto) inside of it. --Lucas ✉ 22:08, 23 ago 2016 (CEST)

this is also what Sailko is saying above. --Lucas ✉ 22:09, 23 ago 2016 (CEST)

[@ Lucas][@ Sailko] Is there a single administrator of the comprensorio who oversees each istituto? Does it mean say Istituto statale italiano Leonardo Da Vinci and en:Istituto Statale Italiano Omnicomprensivo di Addis Abeba would be organized the same way?

This is different from Zurich, Switzerland where even though the three schools share one building, they are all institutionally separate (the Italian elementary school Scuola Italiana di Zurigo is controlled by the Italian government but the middle and high schools, Suola Enrico Fermi and Liceo Vermigli are private)

On ENwiki while high schools are generally notable from the start, elementary and middle schools require a lot of referencing/notability work in order to be shown as notable, and since the Asmara schools/divisions are all in the same institution on EN I decided it was best to combine them into a single article: en:Istituto Italiano Statale Omnicomprensivo di Asmara - Do users in ITwiki think combining the Asmara schools/levels into the same article is a good idea?

WhisperToMe (msg) 03:19, 24 ago 2016 (CEST)

@WhisperToMe, It seems like they are all managed by the Italian public administration (like most of Italian schools are; the Swiss case may be uncommon due to the fact that Italian is one of the national idioms). In the section "contatti > segreteria" of the website, the official email is "asmara.scuole@esteri.it": "scuole" is the plural for "school" and "esteri.it" is the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You could also try to contact them to confirm this opinion, but those clues are pretty clear.

Considering the policy on en.wiki your solution seems to be a good one (imho). ;) --Lucas ✉ 06:54, 25 ago 2016 (CEST)

Here there is a list of teachers in the Eritrean comprensorio. Those teachers are all managed and selected through the standard state path, with "graduatorie" "nei posti di contingente statale" ("rankings in state quote positions"). That type of school (the one with a "contingente statale") is described here as controlled by the Italian Ministry. So, I'd say yes: one comprensorio, four state schools. You may always ask them for a confirmation.

This should be a complete and official list of Italian (private and public) schools outside Italy. --Lucas ✉ 07:30, 25 ago 2016 (CEST)

More information about the history of those schools: https://web.archive.org/web/20081218082631/http://www.scuoleasmara.it/index.html --Lucas ✉ 07:43, 25 ago 2016 (CEST)

Thank you so much for the information! It's very useful! This page states "8 istituti statali onnicomprensivi con sede ad Addis Abeba, Asmara, Atene, Barcellona, Istanbul, Madrid, Parigi e Zurigo;" so it seems to have the same status as the school systems in Paris and Barcelona, although I'm not sure why Zurich would be on this list

In this list Paris, Barcelona, Zurich, Addis Ababa, Asmara, etc appear as single institutions, but with the preschools separated (In this one it acknowledges that only the elementary school in Zurich is controlled by the Italian government)

WhisperToMe (msg) 16:45, 28 ago 2016 (CEST)

[@ Lucas] Since they are in one "comprensorio" where should I go to ask for an article merge in ITwiki? WhisperToMe (msg) 12:39, 29 ago 2016 (CEST)

[@ WhisperToMe] I have to admit that the Italian official websites are not the best in the world (aka euphemism)... :-)

To merge those pages, you could use the Template:U with the parameter "multi1=First Page" and "multi2=Second Page". I am not sure that merging all the articles would be the best solution here on it.wiki, especially considering that each school seems to have a different history, but there are good reasons as well, so you can try: a specific dicussion may arise. :-) --Lucas ✉ 06:04, 30 ago 2016 (CEST)

And you could describe your proposal (linking this discussion too, if you wish) using the tag "commento=" --Lucas ✉ 06:07, 30 ago 2016 (CEST)